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Johnny Jenks

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Apr 12 12 5:33 PM

MBO:

Well, I can guaranty you that Obama will still be blaming Bush throughout this election year. Wow...anything to get re-elected. Maybe at some point Obama can use some fresh material.

It may take Democrats a long time to get over Bush, but it will take this country even a longer time to get over the debt that Obama has incurred in his reign.

From "The Godfather":

Michael Corleone: My father is no different than any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.

Kay Adams: Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don't have men killed.

Michael: Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?

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MichaelBiehnObsession

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Apr 12 12 6:05 PM

As I recall, Reagan continued blaming Carter in the '84 election.

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ht2

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Apr 12 12 8:25 PM

QUOTE (Johnny Jenks @ April 12, 2012 05:33 pm)

it will take this country even a longer time to get over the debt that Obama has incurred in his reign.

I don't know which scares me more, the debt or Islamic terrorists. At least people agree that the terrorists are a threat and must be dealt with. One of my oldest and dearest friends thinks that the environment is the most important thing, and that the economy doesn't matter.

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MichaelBiehnObsession

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Apr 16 12 2:59 PM

QUOTE (SteveJ @ March 25, 2012 09:20 am)

QUOTE (ht2 @ March 24, 2012 03:40 pm)

...have campaigns gotten uglier in the last few years, and especially this year?

Yes. Every political observer has noted that. There is no such thing as "comity" in American politics anymore. The two parties are so polarized that true discussion and compromise is impossible.

The Republican Party no longer allows its few remaining moderates and centrists any real voice, as is evidenced by its three leading contenders for the Presidential nomination -- all far-right and committed to nothing else than defeating the Democratic Party's agenda.

It's all very sad. I'm old enough to recall when there were many politicians at the national level who left their ideological and party differences behind to forge compromises.

Those days are apparently over.

Steve, the Democrats are just as bad.

While it's true the Republicans are beholden to fundamentalists, business interests, and the Tea Party anarchists, the Democrats are beholden to organized labor and every aspect of political correctness around. Moderate Democrats have as much difficulty winning primaries as do moderate Republicans.

Both parties do this to cater to their bases, who contribute money and volunteers.

For a Democrat like me, who opposes labor on a number of issues, favors strict immigration laws and unwelcoming policies toward illegal immigrants, favors tort reform, and believes we need to balance our budget, but who is appalled by Republicans' obsession with having government decide family planning matters (while claiming to favor smaller government), cavalier attitude toward protecting consumers, and pig-headed denial that global warming is taking place, politics makes me hold my nose.

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Johnny Jenks

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Apr 16 12 3:48 PM

MBO: I agree with essence of your post. I have said a number of times in the past that both parties "have blood on their hands". However, I moved away from that position after countless retorts from posters who have either ridiculed my party or my candidates or resorted to name-calling instead of intelligently discussing issues/stances. The sorry state of politics today lies not only with the parties themselves, but also with the party members.

There are merits within both parties and what's best for America is an amalgam of those ideals. However, the schism grows ever wider with the lack of decorum...be it the political parties, the members of those parties, or the people who identify with those parties.

From "The Godfather":

Michael Corleone: My father is no different than any powerful man, any man with power, like a president or senator.

Kay Adams: Do you know how naive you sound, Michael? Presidents and senators don't have men killed.

Michael: Oh. Who's being naive, Kay?

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MichaelBiehnObsession

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Apr 16 12 6:50 PM

The vast majority of people in this country are in the middle, politically.

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SteveJ

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Apr 16 12 8:55 PM

MBO, I agree with the gist of what you say. The "center" has been abandoned by both parties, and we Democrats do sometimes lose track of reality in our quest for political purity/correctness.

The reason that immigration reform has thus far eluded us in the U.S. is that a moderate, centrist policy of favoring legal immigration while forcefully preventing illegal immigration seems undoable in this highly partisan environment of ours -- where immigrant advocacy groups are seen as "chips" in some high-power poker game and where others pander to the worst xenophobic tendencies in society.

The absence of genuine campaign financing reform is a scourge upon the nation and leads to much of the kissing-up to interest groups that we see in both parties.

Where there properly can be no compromise and no middle ground is in the area of civil and human rights. Those areas are non-negotiable. We can debate whether the economic stimuli advanced by President Obama have worked, but there can be no debate over whether, for example, gay men and woman should have 100 percent equal protection under the law.

On that and other civil liberty issues, let all voters consider the official national platforms of the two parties this coming Fall -- and decide for themselves.

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Jayo

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Apr 16 12 9:52 PM

Chick With Brains

The attitudes and actions of the powers that be in both parties is the reason I changed my registration to Independent.

My reality check bounced.

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ht2

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Apr 17 12 8:10 AM

Steve, Jayo, JJ, MBO: it's interesting that, despite our divergent backgrounds, we're all in substantial agreement.

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Juan Gris

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Apr 17 12 9:28 AM

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QUOTE (ht2 @ April 17, 2012 09:10 am)

Steve, Jayo, JJ, MBO: it's interesting that, despite our divergent backgrounds, we're all in substantial agreement.

I just don't agree with this!

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PolarBear

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Apr 25 12 10:29 AM

Ursus Maritimus

Now Gingrich is out and Romney is almost guaranteed to be the nominee.

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SteveJ

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Apr 25 12 2:44 PM

QUOTE (PolarBear @ April 25, 2012 11:29 am)

Now Gingrich is out and Romney is almost guaranteed to be the nominee.

"Almost"???

Absent the surfacing of a photo of Romney in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, he's "The Man" for you Republicans out there!

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PolarBear

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Apr 25 12 3:14 PM

Ursus Maritimus

QUOTE (SteveJ @ April 25, 2012 02:44 pm)

QUOTE (PolarBear @ April 25, 2012 11:29 am)

Now Gingrich is out and Romney is almost guaranteed to be the nominee.

"Almost"???

Absent the surfacing of a photo of Romney in bed with a dead girl or a live boy, he's "The Man" for you Republicans out there!

Ron Paul is still possible.

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SteveJ

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Apr 25 12 3:41 PM

QUOTE (PolarBear @ April 25, 2012 04:14 pm)

Ron Paul is still possible.

It's more likely that the Republicans would pick a Kanamit to be their Presidential nominee than they would Ron Paul.

EARTH TO POSTER POLARBEAR!

EARTH TO POSTER POLARBEAR!

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PolarBear

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Apr 25 12 5:12 PM

Ursus Maritimus

QUOTE (SteveJ @ April 25, 2012 03:41 pm)

It's more likely that the Republicans would pick a Kanamit to be their Presidential nominee than they would Ron Paul.

Really? Republicans in general are against welfare, but a Kanamit would probably be in favor of a free lunch.

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HarrisonS

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Apr 25 12 10:58 PM

QUOTE (SteveJ @ April 25, 2012 04:41 pm)

It's more likely that the Republicans would pick a Kanamit to be their Presidential nominee than they would Ron Paul.

I am not sure which of those would worse.

"Herr Kommissar! Herr Kommissar! Der Mann heisst Mabuse, Herr Kommissar, Dr. Mabuse!"

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Thing Crosby

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Jun 23 12 5:59 PM

There is a new DVD out called "Dreams From My Real Father" http://obamasrealfather.com/ which posits that Obama's real biological father is a man called Frank Marshall Davis, a radical Marxist poet and journalist who lived in Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth in 1961. Obama mentions this man about 25 times in his autobiography Dreams From My Father, and claims the man is his ideological mentor. His maternal grandfather Stanley Armour Dunham introduced him to this man in his childhood and they visited him at least once a week. To be honest, there is a close resemblance between the two men in my opinion. The maker of the documentary also found several erotic themed photos of Obama's mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, taken in Davis' home that appeared in several men's soft core porno magazines sometime in the 1960's. You really cannot make this stuff up, it is so strange.

Before you laugh, here is an interview with Joel Gilbert, maker of the documentary. Judge for yourself - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBtwR36G2Pg

According to researcher Wayne Madsen, Obama's mother did anthopological research in Indonesian villages shortly after the CIA coup which overthrew Sukarno in 1965, and that this supposed research was really CIA cover for gathering intelligence on pro - Sukarno cells within the countryside. She also worked for The Agency For International Development and the Ford Foundation, both known CIA cover organizations - http://www.thesecrettruth.com/obama.htm

She was also married to high ranking Indonesian military officer Lolo Soetoro who assisted in the CIA run coup. It was around 1970/71, when Obama was 9 or 10 years old, that she instructed her father Stanley to introduce Obama to Frank Marshall Davis.

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Jayo

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Aug 11 12 9:31 PM

Chick With Brains

Romney picked his VP, and it's...Paul Ryan.

Good choice. Mitt. Mr. let's-replace-medicare-with-private-insurance just sank your chance of getting elected.

http://www.cagle.com already has a section of Ryan cartoons.

My reality check bounced.